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CPU / MB / RAM upgrade time

Post by storm84 » 21 Nov 2017, 23:01

Yeah, I know there's other threads, but I figure there's no harm in asking for specifics.

Current hardware is 6 years old, and now seems to have died. So time to replace the core unit. Only problem is that my knowledge of what's decent is out the window.

According to this article, the i5-8400 is the component to get:
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-pc-gami ... rocessors/

Then the question is which MB is good to go with it. Don't really need anything fancy, just enough SATA and USB ports. And as for RAM, for 16GB of DDR3, but I'm happy to upgrade it.

So any suggestions would help - even places where to look would be good. Plan is to put the order into MSY on Thursday night.
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Post by n1cholas » 22 Nov 2017, 01:17

The 8400 is a good choice if you aren't interested in overclocking and it has to be an Intel build.

At the moment only the high-end Z370 chipset motherboards are available, lower-end chipsets for Coffee Lake will become available next year which you probably can't wait for.

A Ryzen 5 build would be better value because inexpensive AM4 motherboards are available. I personally would lean towards the Ryzen 5 1600 as it is an excellent value CPU considering the performance, number of cores and threads that it offers and can be overclocked unlike the non-K Intel CPUs.

If you don't plan on gaming at 1080p/144Hz a Ryzen would likely be fine. The reason Ryzen loses out here is that it has worse single core performance than Intel CPUs and memory timings aren't as tight

https://www.techspot.com/review/1514-co ... page6.html

You can check out the threads on whirlpool.net.au and post there as you'll get more recommendations.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/7?g=77

I was going to build a Coffee Lake build as a combined Birthday and Christmas gift for myself but after looking at the prices for CPUs, motherboards, high GPU and RAM prices I've decided to wait. RAM prices will drop next year as more supply becomes available and less expensive Coffee Lake motherboards will also become available making it a much better time to put together a low to mid range Coffee Lake build.

Feel free to post any questions you have here.
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Post by storm84 » 22 Nov 2017, 07:23

It doesn't have to be Intel (only Intel chip in the house is in the laptop), just that I'm not against Intel anymore.

My main thing is that I use the PC for is gaming, but only at 1080p@60hz. Any processor that can handle that is fine - my 6YO midrange chipset was only starting to show its age in the last 2 years. Beyond that, the PC serves as a media PC, and for converting muy DVDs to a streamable format. So my requirements aren't massive.

Looking on MSY's website, I'm leaning towards this because I at least know the chipset and that it comes with a cooler.
http://www.msy.com.au/pc-components/184 ... ooler.html

I don't mind getting one without a cooler, though that would add one more thing to buy.

I don't think I have any particular questions at this stage. Just in a bit of panic / indecision at the moment, so this thread serves as a sanity check for me that I'm not going to get incompatible parts.
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Post by n1cholas » 22 Nov 2017, 11:30

storm84 wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 07:23
My main thing is that I use the PC for is gaming, but only at 1080p@60hz.
A Ryzen 5 build would be fine then.

If you are planning on using the rig for a 4 years or longer an Intel build might have longer legs due to its higher single core performance but with the upcoming consoles likely to use AMD CPUs with 10-12 cores/threads the 1600's 12 threads might become equally or more important than the higher single core performance of the 6 core, 0 thread 8400.

AMD may release AM4 compatible CPUs for some time with increasingly better performance while Intel love forced obsolescence so it's possible that you may have to upgrade MB and RAM to get a much better Intel CPU.
storm84 wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 07:23
Looking on MSY's website, I'm leaning towards this because I at least know the chipset and that it comes with a cooler.
http://www.msy.com.au/pc-components/184 ... ooler.html
The 1600 and 1700 come with AMD's Wraith Spire HSF which is a good cooler as long as you aren't going for extreme overclocks. The Wraith is quiet for a stock cooler, Intel's stock HSF are very average and generally loud when the CPU is under load.

At the present time the 1700's extra two cores don't yield much in additional gaming performance unless you're streaming gameplay, although workloads hat do take advantage of the two additional cores like encoding and production you do see a nice uplift. If you plan on streaming your gameplay with CPU intensive games the 1700 is worth the extra for more headroom.

You can find some reasonable builds at: https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_sg_wh ... _configs_1

The $1,500 ($1,750) Gaming/Multi-Purpose Config Six Cores Value AMD build is OK but it pays to do your own research and see what MSY has in stock.
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Post by storm84 » 22 Nov 2017, 11:46

Some come with and some don't. Maybe I should just get the 1600 with a cooler so I don't have to worry about it.

Not sure if this (plus the cost of a cooler):
http://www.msy.com.au/viconline/am4/187 ... ooler.html
is a smarter buy than this:
http://www.msy.com.au/viconline/pc-comp ... ooler.html
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Post by n1cholas » 22 Nov 2017, 15:09

storm84 wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 11:46
Some congee with and some don't.
I'm assuming congee was meant to be agree.
storm84 wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 11:46
Maybe I should just get the 1600 with a cooler so I don't have to worry about it.
https://www.techspot.com/article/1381-r ... x-vs-1600/

It really depends on pricing and what you value.

EDIT: Responding to this thread I'm talking myself into getting a 1600. If only it were in stock at the stores I frequent.
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Post by storm84 » 22 Nov 2017, 15:21

I wipe what I'm asking is whether the extra 100 or so is enough of a performance boost to justify the extra cash laid out. I'm strongly leaning to the one that comes with the cooler now.
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Post by Mini » 24 Nov 2017, 09:21

I have the 1600x and it has worked flawlessly.
If you go with Ryzen, the 1 thing to make sure is that you get the very latest version of Windows 10.
As versions earlier than the creators update can cause some major instability (I had blue screen crashes within 5 minutes of loading windows every time)

I have
- Ryzen 5 1600x
- MSI B350 PC Mate
- Team T-Force Dark 3000MHz 16GB (2x8GB)

And I already had an AIO water cooler for the CPU
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Post by n1cholas » 24 Nov 2017, 10:50

ASUS make quality motherboards and have better after sale support than most other vendors with frequent BIOS updates.

I don't see F4-2400C15D-16GVR listed on the memory QVL for the PRIME B350-PLUS, I am guessing ASUS have incorrectly typed F4-2400C15D-169GVR but I would email ASUS and/or G.Skill for confirmation.

When I search G.Skill's website for F4-2400C15D-169GVR nothing is found so it's likely that the above is the case.

I've read a few people that have builds with F4-2400C15D-16GVR working fine on B350 boards but some are using manual timings.

I would highly recommend upgrading the motherboards BIOS ASAP as initially Ryzen had RAM compatibility issues which could mostly be resolved with manual RAM timings and there's the off chance you may need to use manual timings.

You didn't mention anything about other parts?

Are you reusing some parts from your existing PC?

If yes I would be careful about reusing a PSU as when PSU go bad they can often take out components and it would be terrible if that were to happen with your new components.
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Post by storm84 » 24 Nov 2017, 13:57

I ended up getting an ASRock MB as they were out of the ASUS. I replaced the PSU on Tuesday, and I'm reusing everything else.

Only issue now is Windows decided I needed to reactivate and won't accept my Win7Pro key that I upgraded to Win 10 a year ago.
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Post by Mugsy » 24 Nov 2017, 19:46

My mobo is an ASrock one. Probably the most stable I've ever had. It should serve you well assuming their quality has remained high.
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Post by n1cholas » 25 Nov 2017, 01:35

ASRock were spun-off from ASUS back in 2002.

ASUS also spun-off Pegatron back in 2008 and now Pegatron has much higher revenues than ASUS and Pegatron is also the parent company of ASRock.

ASRock generally make solid hardware at competitive prices but their motherboard BIOS generally don't offer as advanced features and customisation as ASUS' motherboards and BIOS updates are less frequent with many ASRock motherboards only receiving BIOS updates for a year.

I'm using an ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and it has been great although I really dislike that it was marketed as a full ATX motherboard when in reality it is slightly cut down so misses some screw mounts which results in overhang on the front edge so I have to be careful when inserting/removing the motherboard power cable to not place too much force on the overhanging section of the motherboard.
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Post by storm84 » 25 Nov 2017, 10:07

Last motherboard I had was a Gigabyte. Didnt give me any issues.

Got to get in the BIOS and change the SATA settings. My secondary HDDs are going so slow.
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Post by Mini » 25 Nov 2017, 10:12

I need to work out overclocking and see what my CPU can do...
And RAM as well, but RAM is confusing
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Re: CPU / MB / RAM upgrade time

Post by Treloar » 25 Nov 2017, 15:45

There used to be an overclocking guide for RAM on the majorgeeks website explaining everything you need to know... though it's been awhile since I looked at it. Dunno if its still there even.
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Post by n1cholas » 29 Nov 2017, 14:39

storm84 wrote:
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Last motherboard I had was a Gigabyte. Didnt give me any issues.

Got to get in the BIOS and change the SATA settings. My secondary HDDs are going so slow.
Gigabyte generally sell good value, quality hardware.

I've bought a few Gigabyte GPUs over the years because they had very good performance and coolers and were better value than ASUS' offerings.

While in the BIOS be sure to check RAM settings.

How are you going with your build?

Completed it yet?

Did you overclock?

I normally run stock for a month or more to ensure the system is 100% stable then consider overclocking.
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Post by storm84 » 29 Nov 2017, 14:45

It's all built - no overclocking because I tend not to do that stuff anyway. It's all going well apart from reformatting. Currently going through the tedious process of working out what to back up off my SSD so I can reinstall windows. After that, I should be good for a few years until I need to update my graphics card again (GTS960 in there currently). And maybe a RAM boost to 32GB sometime Doreen the track.

Thanks for your help with all this. Definitely helped in choosing a CPU.
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Post by Treloar » 29 Nov 2017, 17:22

What graphics card do you all have or recommend :?:

I gotta buy a new graphics card cause my old onboard 9300M has crapped out.. considering to buy a RX 570, does anyone have anything good/bad to say about them :?:
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Post by Yurtles » 29 Nov 2017, 18:07

The RX 570 4GB sort of falls in between the the GTX 1050 ti and the GTX 1060 3GB. The 1050 ti is at least 35% cheaper for about 20% less power and the GTX 1060 3GB edges out the RX 570 4GB on almost all benchmarks for potentially $50 cheaper (probably more) if you can find a good sale.

The RX 570 4GB has an over-inflated price currently and never seems to go on sale for a decent price - low supply and high demand from miners, no reason for it to.
If you get a GTX 1060 3GB, having only 3gig of ram you're potentially going to run into problems with games that use high-res textures and I'm not sure about the longevity of a card with that much ram. My R9 280x has 3 gig of ram and I find I'm starting to hit limits on some games. I can't imagine that's going to improve in the future.
With the GTX 1050 ti you're going to be tweaking with graphical settings to get a game running smoothly at 60fps and 1080p. Not much chance of setting everything to high and forgetting about it.

Edit: Added some pros and cons for them
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Post by storm84 » 29 Nov 2017, 18:19

My card is a GeForce GTX 960 4GB G1 - an overcloked 960 chipset that was apparently king of the midrange cards when I got it. Haven't had a problem with it's performance yet...
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