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Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 10:46
by Mythor
It's finally on! May 18! Check your enrolment details are up to date! If you've never voted, you can enrol up to April 18, get your butts into gear!

Source!

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 12:18
by brimlad
A new thread, Yay, for the fun five weeks ahead... think I'll go to Portugal for a holiday :D

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 13:57
by storm84
Checked my enrollment today - I'm all up to date. (First election since I moved)

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 17:29
by Yurtles
I wonder what the slander ads will be about this time? Maybe something about climate change denialists for the Libs/Nationals annnnd probably just some workers union schlock for Labor. Just as long as it's not about boat people or some derivative. Surely not again.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 07:44
by André Axe'm
Already had a rather dishonest flyer about Cuts that ScoMo has supposedly inflicted upon the local area.
I think Labor use the same template each election.

I won't be in the country for this one. Looking forward to not being here.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 10:12
by Disco
I have no idea who I'm voting for at all

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 12:56
by Sathias
André Axe'm wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 07:44
Already had a rather dishonest flyer about Cuts that ScoMo has supposedly inflicted upon the local area.
I think Labor use the same template each election.

I won't be in the country for this one. Looking forward to not being here.
ScoMo isn't exactly being stingy with the lies either. Today at his campaign launch he claimed Labor wants to add 380 billion dollars in extra taxes (when in reality they just don't support his 380 billion dollar tax cuts) and that this will add extra debt to the economy.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 13:40
by storm84
The one that's really sitting me at the moment is calling closing the loophole to hand corporate tax paid to shareholders who pay no tax a "retirement tax".

I'm also perplexed that the politicians who take "50% of new cars sold in 2030 will be electric" to either mean that 50% of all cars on the road in 2030 will be electric (and therefore Labor is coming for your cars), or that 50% of tradies will be forced to drive electric cars that won't be up for the job. All this from a party that was on board with the electric revolution 12 months ago. And while Mark Latham has turned into a senile old man in the last 15 years, that he called the petrol car the most important asset of Australian families is baffling for so many reasons.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 18:04
by André Axe'm
Yeah its hard to know if they are just talking crap deliberately, or accidentally.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 20:26
by Otto-matic Reiffel
Both of the majors are fucked as always.

Assuming they are running, I'll probably preference Greens first then whoever's running for Labor since I hate them less. Hooray politics :angry-cussingargument:

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 00:05
by Sathias
André Axe'm wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 18:04
Yeah its hard to know if they are just talking crap deliberately, or accidentally.
Agreed

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 07:14
by storm84
For me, it's pure demagoguery. These politicians know what they're doing and they're smart enough to know better. Liberals for a while now have been trying to denounce Labor at every turn as incompetent and will implement dangerous policies.

Remember a few weeks ago when one minister was asked about a statement on the nature of the economy that it was by design meant to keep wages down. The minister proceeded to attack Bill Shorten for being wrong and economically illiterate to suggest that. When they were corrected that it was actually the finance minister who said it, they did a complete about turn and agreed wholeheartedly with the statement - and then put in another attack on Labor for good measure.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 12:21
by Otto-matic Reiffel
The thing that really gets me is that few to none of them are there for the good of the country, they are there for the good of the party.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 19:57
by Nitephyre
Not even the party, just themselves.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 21:50
by Mugsy
Both major parties are absolute jokes. They each knife their own leaders in the back constantly.

Honestly, when was the last time we had a Prime Minister we were proud of?

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 22:20
by storm84
Personally I think Turnbull and Gillard were both good leaders - both knew how to use the system to get things done for what they thought was the good of the country even if it didn't make them popular. Beyond that, other leaders have had some good moments. Howard with the gun control and East Timor. Rudd with the apology. Etc. Only truly irredeemable moron leader was Abbott, who carried on like he was the opposition leader even after getting elected and couldn't achieve anything even with a majority.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 13:43
by CherryRed
Is there one page you can go to that lays out what each party is 'promising'? I have no idea who to vote for and in keeping with my 2019 goal of being an adultier adult, I need to suss out the options.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 14:24
by brimlad
try the vote compass thing on abc and see who your political heart likes.

https://votecompass.abc.net.au/

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 14:38
by CherryRed
I already did that and found all parties fell close to equal :-\

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 16:27
by André Axe'm
I'm halfway between Labor and Liberal again. :|
I guess I should vote for a hung parliament...

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 16:36
by Sathias
brimlad wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 14:24
try the vote compass thing on abc and see who your political heart likes.

https://votecompass.abc.net.au/
I did that thing and my dot was pratically on top of the Labor dot. I was expecting to be somewhere between there and the Greens tbh.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 16:49
by Mythor
I did Vote Compass and got more Social Conservative than the Liberals. This version is further off than it's ever been, in my opinion.

Check the details afterwards for links to what various parties have said on issues that matter to you though, that's a bit more useful than the dots.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 17:09
by storm84
Yeah, I got way more social conservative than my views are generally. I was pretty disappointed with the way some if the questions were worded - especially when it came to immigration and trans rights - that general conclusions could be drawn from them. Or even that the views the Greens have is the metric of what constitutes social progressivism...

On the other hand, I think it picked where I sit economically quite well.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 22:53
by Mugsy
Mythor wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 16:49
Check the details afterwards for links to what various parties have said on issues that matter to you though, that's a bit more useful than the dots.
I agree with this. Going through the various topics and seeing where each party stands was more useful.

My dot was around the ALP which I call bullshit. You guys know my stance on abolishing Negative Gearing and how I believe it won't do one iota to improve housing affordability and instead hurt medium income earners who need to rent their property out due to life's circumstances. What I suspect is that I have some strong viewpoints on the environment too so they shoved me right between the Libs and the Greens.

All up, given the choices, I think we're fucked regardless of who gets into power.

Re: Federal Election May 18, 2019!

Posted: 18 Apr 2019, 07:07
by Sathias
Mugsy wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 22:53
Mythor wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 16:49
Check the details afterwards for links to what various parties have said on issues that matter to you though, that's a bit more useful than the dots.
I agree with this. Going through the various topics and seeing where each party stands was more useful.

My dot was around the ALP which I call bullshit. You guys know my stance on abolishing Negative Gearing and how I believe it won't do one iota to improve housing affordability and instead hurt medium income earners who need to rent their property out due to life's circumstances. What I suspect is that I have some strong viewpoints on the environment too so they shoved me right between the Libs and the Greens.

All up, given the choices, I think we're fucked regardless of who gets into power.
With Grandfathering it won't affect those people too much. As far as people who aren't already renting out their second property, they will sell instead which will increase housing supply. Neg Gearing will still also be available on building new properties which also increases housing supply. I suspect it will also cause people to invest in other areas of the economy which should be a boost to the stock market and super in general.

I think it's a pretty well thought out policy but I can definitely see why people have their doubts about it. However Franking Credits (when the recipient is paying no income tax) are a straight up rort and the quicker they are gone, the better.